Andy9o8 2 #1 February 19, 2013 Just another ordinary week in America. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/us/shooting-spree-in-california.html?hpw QuoteGunman Kills 3 in Southern California Shooting Spree TUSTIN, Calif. — Residents of several Orange County communities awoke to streets littered with yellow crime scene tape on Tuesday, after a gunman killed three people and injured at least three more before turning the gun on himself at the end of a shooting and carjacking spree, according to law enforcement officials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #2 February 19, 2013 QuoteJust another ordinary week in America. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/us/shooting-spree-in-california.html?hpw QuoteGunman Kills 3 in Southern California Shooting Spree TUSTIN, Calif. — Residents of several Orange County communities awoke to streets littered with yellow crime scene tape on Tuesday, after a gunman killed three people and injured at least three more before turning the gun on himself at the end of a shooting and carjacking spree, according to law enforcement officials. ---------------------------------------------------------- They must be hard sleepers because otherwise wouldnt they be woken up to the sound of gunshots? Didnt know crime scene tape was so loud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 February 19, 2013 I’m familiar with all of these places. Ladera Ranch is a nice neighborhood. The second shooting was at Red Hill and Nisson – not much of note there. Then the third was at Village Way – right by the Jewelry Exchange where an ex of mine had a shop pushing diamonds. Hot gal and cool place. Then he ended over at Edinger and Newport – there are loads of car dealerships there. Probably got pissed at seeing all those cars he couldn’t steal. We have an identity on him – Khalif Syed – a 20 year-old unemployed student at Saddleback. This is intriguing: who here wants to say “this guy was creepy. This guy was a weirdo?” Normally these shootings have white boy written all over them. Now we’ve got a foreigner angle on it. As Homer Simpson said, “Play the race card. Play it!!!!!” My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #4 February 19, 2013 QuoteKhalif Syed Ooooh!! Ay-rab! Scary Moozlim! (At least I hope he's Moozlim; Coptic Christians are boring, and the Druze make me snooze. ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 February 19, 2013 QuoteJust another ordinary week in America. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/us/shooting-spree-in-california.html?hpw QuoteGunman Kills 3 in Southern California Shooting Spree TUSTIN, Calif. — Residents of several Orange County communities awoke to streets littered with yellow crime scene tape on Tuesday, after a gunman killed three people and injured at least three more before turning the gun on himself at the end of a shooting and carjacking spree, according to law enforcement officials. Another lawless criminal That is what they do"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 February 19, 2013 QuoteQuoteKhalif Syed Ooooh!! Ay-rab! Scary Moozlim! (At least I hope he's Moozlim; Coptic Christians are boring, and the Druze make me snooze. ) No you are the scary one He just has a funny name"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #7 February 19, 2013 >Another lawless criminal That is what they do If only he'd had more guns this would never have happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 February 19, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteKhalif Syed Ooooh!! Ay-rab! Scary Moozlim! (At least I hope he's Moozlim; Coptic Christians are boring, and the Druze make me snooze. ) No you are the scary one He just has a funny name I have a funny name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 February 20, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteKhalif Syed Ooooh!! Ay-rab! Scary Moozlim! (At least I hope he's Moozlim; Coptic Christians are boring, and the Druze make me snooze. ) No you are the scary one He just has a funny name I have a funny name. No He does You are the scary one Just look at your avatar"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #10 February 20, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteKhalif Syed Ooooh!! Ay-rab! Scary Moozlim! (At least I hope he's Moozlim; Coptic Christians are boring, and the Druze make me snooze. ) No you are the scary one He just has a funny name I have a funny name. No He does You are the scary one Just look at your avatar OK. I'm a cartoon. What's scary about that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #11 February 20, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteKhalif Syed Ooooh!! Ay-rab! Scary Moozlim! (At least I hope he's Moozlim; Coptic Christians are boring, and the Druze make me snooze. ) No you are the scary one He just has a funny name I have a funny name. No He does You are the scary one Just look at your avatar OK. I'm a cartoon. What's scary about that?I am scared of bullheads"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #12 February 20, 2013 If you were speaking of his victims I agree that they may have had more of a chance. That and situational awareness. Like deployment time when skydiving"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #13 February 20, 2013 Quote>Another lawless criminal That is what they do If only he'd had more guns this would never have happened. Don't know about if he had more guns, but if the guys he was carjacking had one handy, they may have got him before he took off. Or if they had that handy little thing I saw that used to be available in south africa -- a flamethrower mounted under the car to prevent people approaching the doors...If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #14 February 20, 2013 QuoteGunman Gunperson Kills 3 in Southern California Shooting Spree Now... Where were we...? If we want to make a thread for every shooting we should come up with a scorecard to save time. Assault weapon ban: Ineffective here. CA already had an assault weapon ban, from the photos it appears it wasn't a semi-automatic shotgun and, while black, it didn't have scary features. Magazine capacity limits: Ineffective here. CA already has this ban and this was a fixed magazine with what I would guess is a 7 round capacity. Criminal background check: Ineffective here. The article states he doesn't have a criminal history. Adjudicated mental illness: Story doesn't say, but I would doubt it. We will probably get some 20/20 hindsight kind of clues in future reporting, but I doubt anything that would have shown up on a feasible background check without running into privacy issues that lawrocket has raised in other threads. Mandated securing of firearms (ignoring enforcement issues for a moment): TBD, but may have helped. The article said the shotgun belonged to someone at the starting address. If it had been locked up well and he didn't have access, then the rampage may not have gotten started. More good guys with guns: TBD as usual as details are thin. California is largely devoid of CWPs, but unless one of the people specifically attacked had been armed and had a little bit of warning, this probably wouldn't have mattered. Access to Mental Health Treatment: TBD. I don't think we know what the "trigger" was yet. Police/Authority Response Time: It sounds like witness reporting and police response were pretty key here given he shot himself almost immediately when authorities showed up. I would look at the chain of reports (I'm pretty sure there would have been multiple 911 calls) and see what worked about the response and what didn't. How well are the dispatchers equipped and trained to handle a situation unfolding like this? Violence in culture: Kinda sounds like something out of Grand Theft Auto, but a game is a game and life is life. I think a game like that's influence would begin after you snap, not before. See "Access to Mental Health Treatment." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #15 February 20, 2013 Quote a flamethrower mounted under the car to prevent people approaching the doors... I totally want one of those. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #16 February 20, 2013 Quote Quote a flamethrower mounted under the car to prevent people approaching the doors... I totally want one of those. I seem to recall it was mounted on a mercedes. Don't know that it's available as an option anymore. Can't have been that good for the paint.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #17 February 20, 2013 Quote Quote Quote a flamethrower mounted under the car to prevent people approaching the doors... I totally want one of those. I seem to recall it was mounted on a mercedes. Don't know that it's available as an option anymore. Can't have been that good for the paint. This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDrzMGdYWZc"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 February 20, 2013 QuoteI seem to recall it was mounted on a mercedes. Don't know that it's available as an option anymore. Can't have been that good for the paint. oh - well the Overcoat option will cost you extra. I highly recommend you package it with the undercarriage rust inhibitor and the ArmorAll interior application. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
